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water Kiyak’s chance to make a splash

March 12, 2014

No Common Council member works harder in Dunkirk than Stephanie Kiyak, which is why it makes sense the at-large representative will be representing the city on the Chautauqua County Water Agency....

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rumblefish

Mar-18-14 1:09 PM

when a public union hold all the cards, how can that be "asking" we see it more like holding the taxpayer hostage, if government had any stones it would out source as much as possible, and freeze the public unions out where ever possible, and that includes education

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Christopher

Mar-12-14 5:06 PM

"As for the CCH, it happened in spite of the unions protest against it, they were even using the CCH itself as a distribution site for signs against the sale." My exact point, Darkstar, and a much larger group than the Dunkirk DPW, for example. Don't blame Unions for asking, blame those who give more than you think they should, THAT'S my point.

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DarkStar

Mar-12-14 3:38 PM

Yes there are more non-union workers in the area then union workers, but unions are very good at getting their workers out to vote against anyone who could possibly threaten their gravy train.

As for the CCH, it happened in spite of the unions protest against it, they were even using the CCH itself as a distribution site for signs against the sale.

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Nathan

Mar-12-14 3:36 PM

Good luck Ms. Kiyak... may the county residents be good to you and not as wicked as the weather.

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Nathan

Mar-12-14 3:36 PM

Good luck Ms. Kiyak... may the county residents be good to you and not as wicked as the weather.

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Christopher

Mar-12-14 2:45 PM

Darkstar, I do believe you're giving Unions a LOT more credit than they deserve. I'd say there's a LOT more voting non-union members than there are Union members by a large number. Now, at the State level with large Unions you might take campaign co0ntributions into consideration, or even the manning of phone banks and such, but just look at the CCH. Did the unions have any clout? No, they did not. And, in case you haven't figured this out, all Unions don't support each other, The Police, Fire Dept. and DPW are all separate entities, and look out for themselves, not each other. If the Dunkirk DPW can influence local elections that much, I'd say they'd have a LOT more.

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rumblefish

Mar-12-14 2:14 PM

John D is on the Kiyak band wagon, let' consider this, how long would she remain in area if hubby lost his position at FSU, with no clear ties to area, she would be gone in a "New York Minute"

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DarkStar

Mar-12-14 1:23 PM

As it is now these unions are able to vote to elect themselves raises and insane benefits in each election.

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DarkStar

Mar-12-14 1:22 PM

Christopher,

You would be correct, if the local public workers union were the whale of local politics.

Do you really think anyone running at a local level who supported slashing public workers pay and benefits to reasonable levels wouldn't be destroyed by the unions?

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Christopher

Mar-12-14 12:17 PM

The Union's job is to ASK, but they are not responsible for Municipal leaders giving in! Blaming the Union is like blaming the fire for burning down a house and letting the person who lit it off the hook.

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DunkirkRez

Mar-12-14 11:11 AM

I wouldn't believe anything the editor says on this matter. He's already made it quite clear he wants a county system regardless of whether it's good or not to the citizens of Dunkirk. And as for the Chadwick Bay Development Corp, they've undermined themselves with shoddy studies and very few answers to pertinent questions.

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DarkStar

Mar-12-14 10:30 AM

Christopher,

The individual employees are not the issue, it's the city union rules the city buys into that is the problem.

For example, several people lately have stated a gym teacher in Brocton makes over $100k a year. I don't blame the individual for accepting the pay, I blame the union and the village leaders, past and present,for things getting to this point.

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PhilJulian

Mar-12-14 10:00 AM

The city has always viewed the water treatment plant as an "ace up it's sleeve". Let the city control the supply and watch water rates go through the roof! The city should be compensated for it's investment in the plant. Beyond that we should just be an equal partner. I can't imagine Fredonia or any other municipality wanting to join in the effort if Dunkirk is controlling costs and charges. Ms. Kiyak is a good choice to lead but for the above reasons I don't see the proposal getting off the ground. Just get used to stagnation and deterioration - it's really all our leaders will allow.

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Christopher

Mar-12-14 9:21 AM

By the way, I'd also love to see one large, modern water plant supplying everybody with water, at least in the north county. The south county could do their own with water from Chautauqua Lake.

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Christopher

Mar-12-14 9:19 AM

Yes, by all means, let's stereotype some more, and blame the individual employees! Why of course there aren't any good ones, no good police or firemen, not one single DPW employee, not a one! Take a look already at who's involved with setting up this proposal. Politics, no more, no less. Just a reminder, EMPLOYEES don't make policies! EMPLOYEES don't schedule the work or budget for it. That would all be the job of the politically appointed people whose numbers you want to enlarge.

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DarkStar

Mar-12-14 9:18 AM

I have to agree with Christopher on this one.

While I think a regional water system could work great for the entire area, but I have no faith that the local politicians will allow it to be done right.

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hadenough

Mar-12-14 8:58 AM

The city and it has been proven time and time again over the years allows its money making assets to run down until it costs millions of dollars to fix. Look at the WWTP, the Water Plant, the streets, infrastructure. There is no plan in place. Wait until the plant water lines blow then go in with more employees then needed to fix the problem and of course the work continues into the overtime hours. Talk about rape. Just look at the employees working for the city now. Not all bit a large majority.

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Christopher

Mar-12-14 7:51 AM

I'm sorry, but I fear any sort of new political entity in control of a regional water system. The Erie County Water Authority has been raping local residents for decades, supplying a jobs program for politically connected individuals and throwing money their way. Look it up. I'm not saying a regional system can't work, but I am suggesting GREAT caution. I'm suspicious already of the main players appointed by the county.

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