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Our future and fracking

March 30, 2014

On March 19, at the County Legislature’s informational meeting on high volume hydrofracking, some points were made that have important implications for the economic future of our county....

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American

Apr-02-14 3:04 PM

So we should just stop all drilling and all use of fossil fuels to make you progressive greenies happy.

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judeye

Apr-02-14 7:51 AM

"I don't need to know blindeye as I don't care."

Well American...some of us DO CARE.

We care about our water supplies. We care about the air we breathe and the land we walk on. We care about what we are doing to our environment and what kind of planet we are leaving to our children and grandchildren.

Don't care what chemicals that are used? The chemicals in which one study concluded increase the risk of birth defects, cancer rates, and infertility.

I wonder if you would care more if you lived in West Virginia where the chemical spill made the entire water supply undrinkable. Or any of the other major spills from fracking.

Would have you been satisfied with the free pizza that was given out to the residents of Dunkard Pa after a major explosion at a fracking site that killed one person and the resulting fire lasted for days?

For some of us..WE DO CARE.

Care a lot..and cannot be bought off with one free pizza with one topping.

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American

Apr-01-14 10:24 AM

And in case you wonder about my use of blindeye towards you it is due to you turning a blind eye towards the people of Chautauqua County and their need for jobs through fracking or any other industry that isn't backed by some da*ned tree hugging greenie.

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American

Apr-01-14 10:10 AM

It's not so much as I don't need to know blindeye as I don't care. You must like the dead economy we have here due to high taxes and a progressive left that wants to stop anything except "green" technology that is beyond most peoples pocket books. Not saying some of it isn't good but most is so far in the future to be affordable as to be worthless. Left wing knowledge is not power and that is all you have. So you must be very blissful in your "progressive" catatonic state of mind thinking that everything your anti-heroes of the left is gospel. I am so sick of people like you Marcia the bama man and Cuomo thinking you know what is best for everyone.

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judeye

Apr-01-14 9:44 AM

joew..you think only fracking will bring jobs?

By the way most of the high paying drilling jobs are given to their own, who they bring in here from out of state, and who leave as soon as the drilling is done. Just ask those who worked on drilling wells in the past.

American...Frac Act..is to disclose the names of the chemicals used. So you really think that we do not have a need to know? We do not need to know which chemicals will in the flowback waters, the drilling when it leaks, or the disposal of the waters?

I guess in some people minds ignorance is bliss. For others of us, knowledge is power.

Similar to if you disagree with someone just call them names and try to insult them rather than using facts to convince them. As I said, it sure sounds like junior high to me.

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Steiner

Apr-01-14 9:26 AM

just one more post, the sales guys in the industry at or near retirement, some died of cancer before retirement, others of alcoholism. but all of them said, life, what a bargain ! We did nothing to get the world we live in . We made a FORTUNE in petrochem. we ate and drank .if near the southern borders, visited the latina exotic gals. If canadian, to the ballet we went ! We worked at NOTHING for the world we live in It was a gift. none of them complained except maybe they wished it was longer, but they knew what they worked with,they smoked and drank heavily. the company paid for most of that on the expense accounts. there was no irrational fear of cancer, Like here in the posts. Dk, cancer, cancer, judeye, cancer, cancer !life, bought to you by the guys in petrochem, including steiner. judeye and dk, cancer , cancer , cancer !

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Steiner

Apr-01-14 8:31 AM

so to all you anti frackers, still think petro chem wont help NY ? are you stupid ? Look at the spill near Houston texas. the second largest petro complex in the world, after the netherlands. 500 million a day in revenue. imagine a natural gas plant in NY operating from fracked gas ! imagine the jobs and the revenue. Go down to the gulf coast. see the MILES of petro chem. all flammable, almost all carcinogenic. yet the population has exploded on the planet. so steiner is pleading to all the gals, especially you LWVs, please write some mre nonsense . I beg the indulgence of the Observer to print it. please do ,Observer, Mr editor ! Steiners 40 year experience, , nine figure sales and rising, 10,000 lives saved and rising, all waiting for the gals. Steiner wants to talk to the gals. Lets see what the gals got and it does not appear to be mental power.i have given hints for you from the masters, why do you ignore them ? The guys i quoted were movers and shakers. they made the world.

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Steiner

Apr-01-14 8:20 AM

more for the libs, the machines and science i quoted cost in the multiple million range. the maintainence contracts can cost five figures a year per machine. the salaries of the analytical chemists can hit 6 figures a year. In the very big companies we are talking tens of millions at a single location all for just analytical work ! Still think these chemists , like myself are as stupid as the liberals who write here ? How do you think you buy all that stuff in the store ? where does it all arise from ? oil and gas wells. a small amount is renewable, from pine trees. even a lowly pine tree can produce a host of chemicals, many food grade. you ate them and chewed them in gum. I know, i put them there. so all you unlearned liberal posters, gushing about the govt, kindly shut up. You are an insult to the world we have. given to us by great men. oh there were a few gals, but even a blind person can find something.

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Steiner

Apr-01-14 8:07 AM

more for the libs and the gals, see is there progress for women , observer, 3/29/14 by , another woman ! Jeanne polisoto. hey gals, almost all of the stuff i quoted here, easily verifiable is and has been done by guess who ? What sex ? Guys. yep,nary a gal in the bunch. maintainence workers on the machines, guys. sales reps, guys.then you have the nerve to ask if any progress for qwomen and even write and be against fracking ! you gals give every indication of being mentally retarded. there is no other way to say it. judeye gushes, like being in love for democratic platform values. The historical record contradicts her, but facts mean nothing to judeye. i promise if elected that i will offer pink coffins for the gals , at govt expense ! You can RIP, rest in pink ! fighting the cancer you may have died from !

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Steiner

Apr-01-14 8:00 AM

more for the stupid liberals and their cancer fears. Back to the paper juice cartons you see and buy in the store. the coating is a monomer polymerized by either UV light or electron beam RADIATION. Radiation judeye, CANCER !. the beam machine has lead shielding to prevent leakage. they use a large amount of electricity, non of it green as thse machines dont like interrupted electric supply. Now back in tha labs, the GC mass spec machines are running several days a week ! Why ? To check to see if monomer content is at or below legal levels ! yes. this is more common than you think. You see to maximize production to increase profits to pay for liberal largess , the machines are sped up. Residence time in the beam is shortened. They find the limit and then back off a tad. there is always variation between lots of coating! week after week the analytical machines run. they are automated. the records are legal too ! judeye Answer please , your offsets ?

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Steiner

Apr-01-14 7:51 AM

where are all the stupid liberals ? i have listed fact after fact. Life cannot be made cancer free. It should take just a little thought from anyone to see this. judeye, judeye , steiner to judeye !, I have listed MANY facts from an easy to read science history . You ignore them all, prefering slogans, dont frack with our water.so to all you learned liberals and specially the gals, what do you offer to replace the life we have from organic chemistry ? if you cant answer, please just shut up liberals. see i quoted the masters and especially Paul flory, who helped win the synthetic rubber war . Flory's work has great value today ! ask any organic chemist. Even the militaries around the world still use his work. then we hear from the likes of judeye and LWV, witless , clueless gals, dont frack ! Gals, dont write any more ! Get back to the kitchen and elementary schools where you belong. Leave science to the big boys like steiner.

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PhilJulian

Mar-31-14 10:31 PM

How did this country deteriorate to the point where even common sense issues are subjected to great debate and resistance from the liberal element. Amazing that Cuomo found the courage to support NRG with their proposed conversion from coal to gas but he lacks the wisdom to support fracking in a state that is desperate for jobs and prosperity. It is said that the greatest rewards come to those who take the greatest risks. I don't see fracking to be a great risk but I do see great potential rewards for our state and our country.

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American

Mar-31-14 1:33 PM

Here are the names of the two people from NYS that are cosponsoring the "FRAC ACT" and trying to keep jobs out. Mr. Schumer, Mrs. Gillibrand along with five other democrats and one left leaning Independent. Remember those names when it comes time to vote against them.

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American

Mar-31-14 11:22 AM

Judeye any so called name calling (like pink) is probably due to your unwavering love for people like Cuomo the HUD and the bama man who are bring ruin to NYS and America. Also for your progressive "compassion" for prisoners, homosexuals, illegal aliens but none for the millions of babies aborted. Your anti jobs stance about fracking, the pipeline and anything along those lines. The left claims to care but only on the "popular" things at the time.

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Steiner

Mar-31-14 10:43 AM

more for our gals. get the book, polymers and the origins and growth of a science, by herbert morawetz. you will see the great organic chemists work detailed in this book. I learned from people who were taught by the great masters in this book. the ones who made the basic polymers you buy for everyday use.back to my cancer wish, the ancients knew that behind the world of matter was merely a ghost, a phantom. they knew what science only recently found out. matter rests on the 2 slit experiment, where probablilty rules. there is no matter at the foundation of the world. it is a ghost. for the christians, this is not the holy ghost. find this out and how to manipulate it and you have the cure for cancer. hint, the ancients knew the "ghost" as the man himself. christs brother.see zorasterism for who this man is.

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Steiner

Mar-31-14 10:28 AM

more for judeye and the gals. my favorite and most useful monomer is styrene monomer. Sickeningly sweet, but oh so very useful in synthetic rubber. we would not have the life we have without styrene. all those plastic cups for jam, jelly and cream, in the restaurants ? polystyrene . see how useful that is gals? Made from oil and gas wells styrene, an aromatic, a great carcinogen.so you gals, while trying to be nice, you care you say, are actually working to wreck civilization. try advocating for vouchers in our public schools. even Magie said we have no vouchers ! why, to keep our people dumb and democratic.those public employee unions , right christopher ? so, to put a twist on a famous dairy ad, got cancer ? you wish doom and cold on us, i wish cancer for you !figure the cure out !

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Steiner

Mar-31-14 10:18 AM

more for judseye and the gals. ethylene monomer smells great ! so does vinyl acetate monomer, acrylic monomer smells horibble. A drop in your house spilled, would cause you to evacuate from the terrible odor.those juice cartons you buy ? you should smell the chemical that makes the coating shiny BEFORE it is polymerized. You would gag and flee from it. yet tankers of it prowl the highways. All you libs are so lacking in knowledge, yet call others stupid. you sell fear, but somehow dont realize that cancer has been around since ancient times. I have books telling of breast cancer in women in ancient greek times.Some of the women killed themselves rather than facet it. lets see, i have plastic pipe, burn oil, buy plastic things too. All from oil and gas wells. all carcinogenic at some time. i have been known to sniff plastic items, trying to detect traces of the monomer. To see if the process was taken to a completion.

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Steiner

Mar-31-14 10:09 AM

judeye, take away chemicals and we are back to the stone age. back to nature , the nature that would kill us in a heartbeat. thanks to chemists, we have an obesity problem. It used to be starvation that was the problem. but the guys, seeing this made bread from air.take your so called carcinogens away and we will have mass death. judeye and the gals are utterrly, utterrly ignorant of the basic facts of life. they wish to drag everyone down to their level of ignorance. sugar coated it is. But death, starvation and cold is what will be realized if the wacky environmentlists, LWV and others have their way. Life CANNOT be made non hazardous ! I love carcinogens ! the plant world makes them too. long live cancer ! lets see how long it takes the libs like judeye to figure it out !

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Steiner

Mar-31-14 10:02 AM

utterly ignorant judeye keeps on a posting. Make the companies tell us the chemicals they use to frack. hey judeye, in case you did not know, any analytical chemist can identify the chemicals used. all we need is the water sample or even a sample of the local well water to test. I know several good analytical chemists. they would laugh you to scorn.cancer fears got you down ? thats great news ! yes ! it shows that you HAVE NOT A CLUE AS TO WHERE THE STUFF YOU BUY IN THE STORE ARISES FROM. nearly EVERYTHING is derived from chemicals called monomers. plastic pipe, acrylics, you name it, is from a monomer. All monomers are carcinogenic. the workers are exposed to carcinogens EVERY day . there are traces in al the stuff you buy. thats the way life works. thanks to the male organic chemists. there might have been a woman chemist here and there, but for sure the carcinogenic nature of petro chem scares them.judeye, you are one ignorant person as is the LWV.

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Steiner

Mar-31-14 9:52 AM

when is the end of the world liberals? judeye says fracking can cause cancer ! judeye, wear pink ! the witless womemn are at it again. fracking has made the US the number one natural gas producer. along arrive the gals and say, stop that. we could get cancer. gals, just cuz you cant think, it does not mean everyone cannot think. even christopher goofs it up. fracking has caused a boom out west where water is scarcer than here.how did ya miss that liberals ?hey gals, i want to see you all twitching in conversion disorder from fracking. cancer , cancer. the less intelligent are running the show, by that i mean liberals.energy could be used to muscle the russians over the ukraine. but our liberals, ever less intelligent miss that. hey LWV, what do you offer instead of hydrocarbons ? Gal scientific power ? thats a joke gals. try thinking gals, you keep giving fodder to steiner. he loves it.

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joew

Mar-31-14 9:14 AM

What about the people who cant get jobs Judeye because you cite the same things as as reasons for not allowing fracking?

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judeye

Mar-31-14 7:31 AM

Once again I ask...

why all the name calling when you disagree?

Do you really have no facts to base your opinions on so all that is left is insults and name calling as if we were back in junior high?

and JoeW...that is beyond insulting to ever say that I would be "tickled" when anyone loses their job.

I worked directly with those who lost their jobs when plants closed. We were the first ones there to offer help and show possible new paths. And yes, too often to comfort.

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American

Mar-31-14 1:53 AM

And now from the party whos president visited all 57 states "Sen. Cory Booker (D-NJ) was speaking on the Senate floor about the dangers of climate change, when he explained that after his 17th birthday, when he got his driver’s license, he immediately drove to Hawaii.

“I just do want to say that right after I turned 17 and got my New Jersey driver’s license, one of the earliest places I drove was a trip — the only trip I have ever taken was to Hawaii,” Booker said on March 11."

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American

Mar-30-14 9:54 PM

Judeye is pink alright But that is mostly because she aligns with bama man and Cuomo(remember HUD)

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joew

Mar-30-14 3:41 PM

Judeye I bet your tickled pink that Carriage House is closing down right? I mean all that truck traffic,water use,waste water,fossil fuel use going away is cause for celebration right?

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