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Forestville clerk/treasurer blames former attorney for tax hike

April 10, 2014

OBSERVER Staff Report FORESTVILLE — Two of the debts driving the village of Forestville’s skyhigh proposed tax rate should not have been the responsibility of village taxpayers....

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Captain

Apr-11-14 3:19 PM

In most cases (generally speaking), public workers are equally or better compensated than private workers who have similar or comparable jobs, much more so today considering a weak job mkt that's lasted over 10 yrs. I'll admit this didn't happen overnight, and public workers endured lower pay for many years, but they also enjoyed steady pay increases with each passing year, while private worker's pay decreased, due to the decimation of domestic manufacturing and FTAs. Companies were forced to reduce labor costs (wages & benefits) to stay competitive or risk going out of business, which many did. During these same poor economic times, and despite how strapped a muni is today, public workers still continue receiving "fair" pay raises. To say it was a bad personal choice to not become a public servant is, IMO, a bit smug, especially since it completely ignores the issue, which is private working class people are struggling to support public service costs.

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tjefson

Apr-11-14 12:24 PM

Christopher, as usual all you can do is attack me rather than say anything about the issues. These public workers are paying only a fraction of what the private sector pays. Big deal, they contribute a couple hundred bucks for a family plan a month. These people are paying what 10-15% of their own insurance. In the private sector, we contribute on average 40-50% toward our health insurance. Then we pay 85-90% of the public employees plan. To boot, the public employee has a better, more costly plan. Do the public employees contribute anything toward their pensions? Does it depend on what tier the employee is in. Ridiculous. Freeloaders!

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Christopher

Apr-11-14 12:15 PM

tjefson, I keep telling you, stop whining because you made stupid choices and are now paying for them. It's not the fault of public employees that you weren't picked when you applied. If you had been, obviously, you wouldn't be whining about them, would you?

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Christopher

Apr-11-14 12:13 PM

Rumblefish, name names. The state which has the most of any Public employees, they ALL contribute. So does every smaller municipality that I know, at least in our area. If you know differently, then name them.

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tjefson

Apr-11-14 12:03 PM

Rumblefish, how can people defend the indefensible. Christopher is in complete denial. He attacks with name calling and fabricates the truth. Captain, defends this same bunch. The only conclusion I can make is the legal plunder is OK, unless it is done on a grand scale such as Michael Bolender. I have a difficult time differentiating what Bolender has done from what the rest have done and continue to do. The only difference I see is the dollar amount. If Bolender broke any laws he would be in jail.

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Captain

Apr-11-14 9:44 AM

tj: The truth is, you never ASKED me whether I was a beneficiary or not but you did STATE: "you must somehow be the beneficiary of this theft going on" (implying I'm a public employee, which I'm not).

Your other stated conclusion, umm, I mean, "deductive reasoning" that I have "no problem with Michael Bolender making...." is baseless as well.

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rumblefish

Apr-11-14 8:44 AM

every "public union employee" contributes, what a lot of BS that is

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Christopher

Apr-11-14 6:50 AM

tjefson, you're an idiot. The "logic" used to assume that others support Michael Bolender's pay for horrible work is beyond convoluted. And as for benefitting from Public Employees, are you living in a bubble? You aren't protected by any police of any sort? In many areas, Firemen are public employees. Do you drive on repaired and plowed roads? Who do you think does that, the Tooth Fairy? You get more benefits from public employees than I can count. And, you're WAY behind the times. They do not have CADILLAC insurance plans, and every employee I know contributes to it. I know State workers contribute hundreds of dollars a month, and I said I KNOW, NOT anecdotal BS from the haters like you. It's not my fault you made lousy life style choices and are paying for it now, nor is it the fault of others. maybe you'd better change how and whom you vote for.

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tjefson

Apr-11-14 6:08 AM

Captain, my question is simple do you benefit in any way from public unions and their assault on the taxpayers. Possibly you don't, that would put you in the minority because most people who are not beneficiaries of the aggressive taxation oppressing people who have no Cadillac health insurance plan and gold plated pension see its gross injustice. That is all I am saying. I will tolerate these people, but they are not my friends. How could they be?

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tjefson

Apr-11-14 6:02 AM

Captain and Christopher, I reason you have no problem with Michael Bolender making 1 million $ spread over 4 years and him collecting a 120K $ pension paid by the taxpayers. Is this correct deductive reasoning on my part? Live by the letter of the law and accept it, is this right?

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Buffalo2

Apr-11-14 4:18 AM

Spend, spend, spend, tax, tax, tax. Now the chickens have come home to roost.

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Captain

Apr-10-14 5:11 PM

Again, how am I a "beneficiary" of what you call legal plunder?

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tjefson

Apr-10-14 5:04 PM

Captain, what I am referring to is legal plunder. This is where the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another citizen and the citizen could not do this himself without committing a crime. This reverse Robin Hood mentality is where the government takes from people who have less and give to people who have more. This is what is going on.

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Captain

Apr-10-14 4:49 PM

tj: You lost me again! I have no idea what I said to cause you to state: "you must somehow be the beneficiary of this theft going on."

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tjefson

Apr-10-14 4:42 PM

Maybe the village of Forestville can spend some more money investigating the attorney they hired to represent the village in legal matters. This place reminds me of the TV shows Green Acres and It Takes a Thief.

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tjefson

Apr-10-14 4:06 PM

Captain, you must somehow be the beneficiary of this theft going on. It is so blatantly obvious and I know you are intelligent enough to see it. The only people who defend this are the perpetrators. The example of Bolender is what is rampant abuse in the public sector. We as taxpayers are supposed to just sit here and take it. I think not. This is going to get worse as time goes on. People will feed their families before they pay a property tax bill. What are they going to do, kick us all out of our homes?

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Christopher

Apr-10-14 3:58 PM

And who turned it? tjefson, the biggest one-trick whiner on the net. I was referring to his posts by the way, not yours. With you, we can agree to disagree, much like a few others on here. tjefson/Steiner, never.

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Captain

Apr-10-14 3:37 PM

Funny how this thread turned from FV's problems, and who to blame, to a debate on public unions, AGAIN! This topic has nothing to do with public unions or the traditional public employee.

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Christopher

Apr-10-14 3:30 PM

I agree Captain, in premise, but the last 2 decades have seen the largest transference of wealth in this nation's history. Worker wages ands benefits have remained stagnant at best, and gone down in far too many cases, while Corporate profits and CEO pay and bonuses have increased by 200%. These are facts. We are watching the dismantling of the middle class by the elite, and the Supreme Court has just ensured that this will continue. The Rich now own your government. Taking aim at the people towards the bottom is just what they'd LOVE to see. This country is more in need of powerful unions than when they were first formed.

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Captain

Apr-10-14 3:19 PM

As we all know, workplace inequities between mgmt & union employees exist in the private sector, too. The key difference is a private company only has so much money to go around, therefore, one side can't receive more without taking something away from the other UNLESS revenue/profits are increased, making the company less competitive and more susceptible to failure. Labor costs for public services, however, don't necessarily follow these same sound business principals b/c the threat of shutting down essential services in non-existent, and whenever operating expenses increase, they simply raise taxes and/or reduce services, costing taxpayers more money for less services.

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Captain

Apr-10-14 2:54 PM

If you're referring to me, I said "inherently selfish" not greedy, and accused us ALL of it, NOT JUST public workers.

I don't dispute the pay disparities you cite, the increased duties that require low-level workers to do more with less, or the inequities of wages, raises, bonuses, benefits, etc, that favor non-union, salary employees. This is definitely part of the problem, too, and our elected reps must address these issues as well, but they won't, for the same reason I stated previously.

Taxpayers have no control over any of it, but to cite workplace inequities to justify CBA gains, regardless of how small or well-deserved they may or may not be, merely compounds the problem.

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Christopher

Apr-10-14 2:44 PM

You know tjefson, based on what you say on a regular basis,I'd have to bet that anyone as poor as you doesn't pay any income taxes at all. I'm not sure, but I'd have to assume you're way at the bottom of the pile for any property taxes as well, if in fact you own a home. Property taxes, as we all know, or SHOULD know, is at least as much about home value as in tax RATE. So, for example, similar sized homes in Dunkirk are taxed less than Fredonia due to home VALUE regardless of tax RATE. So, advice here, live where you can afford to live and stop complaining. I was raised in Fredonia, but bought in Dunkirk when I moved back this way because it was more affordable. I practice what I preach.

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Christopher

Apr-10-14 2:23 PM

I'm sorry your bad and stupid life choices created a life of poverty for you, tjefson. Now you sit back and whine about everybody who has it better, as if it's THEIR fault you made poor decisions. You're as bad as all of those others on Welfare you're so good at bashing.

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tjefson

Apr-10-14 12:49 PM

Christopher, in total compensation the public sector is making so much more than their counterparts in the private sector. Why can't these public employees contribute their fair share for health insurance and retirement. We can't afford to pay these things for them. We are making much less and the public workers have twice as much everything, holidays, vacation, sick and personal time. You name it and they have a sweet deal. Nationally, there is an agenda to add charter schools for blacks and latinos. The teachers union is out there fighting them. Everything is about the teachers and they could care less about the children. They are pathetic.

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tjefson

Apr-10-14 12:40 PM

These public union members don't get off the hook so easy with me. They are destroying the society in which we live. There is no excuse for the Teachers Union and the harm they doing to our children to promote their selfish ambition. These people are supporting members of the public unions and they need to be held accountable. They have become oppressive to the taxpayers who are not part of the scheme. They have become the enemy. Why should I care for them when obviously they could care less about the welfare of my family. With public unions, they are negotiating against the taxpayer. They should be outlawed. They are nothing less than parasitic creatures.

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