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Reed at the roundtable

First responders get their say

April 26, 2014

MAYVILLE — Budget constraints are indeed a significant obstacle for local first responders, many of whom not only risk their lives on a daily basis, but deal with a rampant and ever-increasing drug......

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mikey1

Apr-27-14 9:47 PM

the only reason Reed is so "concerned" is because it is an election year, He will go back into his hole after November. He is becoming a professional politician like the rest of them

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mattdillon

Apr-27-14 4:44 PM

I think mental illness is higher up on the list than drugs. Just take a look at tjefson. Enough said.

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judeye

Apr-27-14 2:42 PM

Perhaps we need to look at other countries to see which have been the most effective in dealing with drugs and the crimes that are too often associated with drug use.

Legalization has DECREASED in crime in countries where they made drug use a medical problem rather than a criminal problem.

Take a look at England and Portugal as a start.

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judeye

Apr-27-14 2:40 PM

tjefson..HUH????

Do you know anyone who lives in an area surrounding DC? Where is DKexpat?

I have family who lived there..and yes they worked for the federal government. One in the DEFENSE department and one for Dept of Agriculture. Neither were in anyway involved in helping the poor, unless you consider giving money and helping the defense or farmers is a give away.

Good gosh..have none of you ever been out of this area? Yes most of those communities are people working for the federal govt or working for foreign governments..or LOBBYISTS. Far from just helping the poor and down trodden...

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concerned

Apr-27-14 12:17 PM

Escapee being as drugs is the number one problem in this country leading to the committing of many other crimes to support their habit it needs the most attention. We can get some of the money spent on this back by keeping some of the ill gotten booty or I'm sure the state would love to take it all and we all know how well they handle additional funds. I really doubt that any other crime is being pushed off so a department can get cash.

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Escapee

Apr-27-14 11:56 AM

ReasonableCitizen: You said “The more the local Police get back…”. The money never belonged to the police and the department didn’t pay for the enforcement in the first place. Why do you believe it was ever theirs to “get back”? The taxpayers paid for the operation, why don’t the taxpayers get to choose where the money goes when it is confiscated? Or simpler yet, return it directly to the taxpayers. Return it as a rebate on last year’s property tax.

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Escapee

Apr-27-14 11:54 AM

Concerned: I’ve re-read my earlier comment, and “they can pocket” could be interpreted as individuals stealing evidence. I never intended to accuse the police of PERSONALLY pocketing the money, although we all know there are corrupt individuals in EVERY profession, including mine. I’m against the DEPARTMENT collecting any portion of the money. I do not believe that working on drug cases should be incentivized by offering to increase the department’s budget depending upon what crimes are investigated. And I believe that crimes with victims should have priority.

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tjefson

Apr-26-14 8:46 PM

reasonable&concerned, they seem to put an awful lot of emphasis on the mighty greenback. They wouldn't be the first police to be corrupt. Its sad, but the society we live in, I trust very few people. The way I see it when they put that uniform on they become empowered. Power corrupts and absolute power absolutely corrupts. Even Judges are not exempt from the abuse of power in this day and age.

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concerned

Apr-26-14 8:35 PM

WOW you people honestly believe the police are pocketing this money? Really?? The only ones benefiting are taxpayers as the money is used for equipment that otherwise would be paid for by taxpayers.

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ReasonableCitizen

Apr-26-14 7:42 PM

The money recovered is re-used in the never ending fight against these drug dealers. The more the local Police get back the more they can put into the fight against drugs in the neighborhoods. Why should New York State get the majority of the money and use it to support New York City and downstate ??

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tjefson

Apr-26-14 3:05 PM

Escapee, you bring up a good point. I read that too and it struck me as strange how the drug money was distributed. I wonder how much is reported compared to how much was seized? Why would I have these thoughts about our trusted public servants? The police are the pillars of the community aren't they?

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Escapee

Apr-26-14 12:45 PM

I now understand how priorities get set at the police department. “we seized about $6,000, Ortolano said. We did all the work”…” you realize you're only going to get 30 percent”.

Ever been robbed or burglarized, or a victim of hit and run? Slim chance of the police caring much because there is no percentage to be had. But pick a victimless crime where they can pocket money and they are all over it.

Ever wonder why the drug dealers are offered sweet plea deals? They are fleeced and released.

Why should the police department get ANY of the recovered drug money? The taxpayers should be receiving recovered drug money, that’s who paid for police force in the first place.

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tjefson

Apr-26-14 9:12 AM

Did you ever wonder why 9 of the most 13 wealthy counties in the US surround Washington DC? It is because people are being paid a tremendous amount of money to help the poor, the downtrodden. We create Bureaus, departments, offices, agencies, commissions, boards, services and regulators to oversee this problem. For every tax dollar spent on helping the poor about a nickle gets to the poor person. Down the line we duplicate all this oversight at a state and county level, all in the name of helping our fellow man.

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snottynosepunk

Apr-26-14 7:49 AM

give all the druggies enough to OD, and problem solved cheaply.

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tjefson

Apr-26-14 7:20 AM

Christopher, I agreed with both your comments. I have nothing against you. I don't even know who you are.

We waste to much money trying to help people. I have found the government spends more money implementing programs that benefits the implementer, not the person who the program was created to help.

The best thing that can be done for these people is to get them into Narcotic Anonymous or Alcoholics Anonymous. These organizations are not looking to profit and only want to help. If the person needs professional help, by all means they should get it. However, that person should still be pointed in the right direction to be with others who share the same problem.

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Christopher

Apr-26-14 5:47 AM

By the way, instead of "listening to those on the front line", maybe, JUST MAYBE, somebody ought to be using a different cliché, something along the lines of "thinking outside the box". "The War on Drugs" has been a complete and total failure on every front, no matter how much money was thrown at it. The definition of insanity is doing something over and over and expecting a different outcome each time. I'm not sure what to do, but what's been done didn't and isn't working.

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Christopher

Apr-26-14 5:44 AM

"As we go through the appropriations process, we're going to take some of the ideas I got here today and look at how we're going to score and prioritize our federal taxpayer dollars in a way that says we're going to listen to the people on the front line, get their input, and when it makes sense, give them a little extra push," Reed said." Sounds like a typical photo op to me.

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