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Little fight seen on ‘fraud’

May 15, 2014

The Earned Income Tax Credit can be a blessing to low-income families. It also has been a bonanza for tax cheats — and the Internal Revenue Service cannot seem to stop the....

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joew

May-17-14 8:01 PM

Read the IG report Captain,the fraud is rampart. The report is lengthy and will answer your questions regarding how people get around the documentation issue using acceptance agents and other deceptive means.

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Captain

May-17-14 7:18 PM

Believe it or not, I'm not trying to be sarcastic, and I definitely don't agree that ANYONE, regardless of their legal status, should receive any type of cash credits if they don't work. If there truly are millions of non-working foreigners living here and receiving cash credits, including thousands who got between $1,800 to $10,000 (and more), then this country is more messed up than I thought.

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Captain

May-17-14 4:01 PM

"...Form W-7 requires documentation substantiating foreign/alien status..."

And who possesses the docs needed to substantiate an applicant's status? I assume an authorized agency of the US gov't? If so, are they really the traditional "illegal invaders" you contend them to be, or are they actually "non-citizens" working in this country legally?

Your explanation raises more Qs than As. It sounds like you're saying that these loopholes "qualify" foreign/alien applicants for cash credits (due to their status), yet you contend $4.2B was spent on "illegal invaders?" Further, since they apparently qualified for these cash credits, then why did the IG title his report: "Individuals Who Are Not Authorized to Work in the United States...?" I don't understand how can they be both eligible AND unauthorized?

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American

May-17-14 1:51 PM

"The political left, they deal in symbols rather than reality. The general difference between conservatives and liberals is that liberals like pretty pictures and conservatives like to build bridges that people can drive across. And conservatives are indeed conservative because if the bridge falls down then people die, whereas the liberals figure, we can always build a nice memorial and make people forget it ever happened and was our fault. They're very good at making people forget it was their fault." Quote from Tom Clancy and it seems to hit the core of the problem.

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tjefson

May-17-14 9:06 AM

JoeW, the IRS has one mission and that is to target Conservatism. They have become and extending arm of the democratic party. Obama hired, of all people, more of these agents to police Obama Care. Look at their actions and you see the laws apply to the "little people", not government brutes who are the enforcers.

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joew

May-17-14 8:23 AM

No social security number needed,only a ITIN.to obtain an ITIN, you must complete IRS Form W-7, IRS Application for Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (PDF) . The Form W-7 requires documentation substantiating foreign/alien status and true identity for each individual. You may either mail the documentation, along with the Form W-7, to the address shown in the Form W-7 Instructions, present it at IRS walk-in offices, or process your application through an Acceptance Agent authorized by the IRS. Form W-7(SP), Solicitud de Número de Identificación Personal del Contribuyente del Servicio de Impuestos Internos (PDF) is available for use by Spanish speakers. Need I tell you who is blocking attempts to close this "give away" loophole?

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Captain

May-16-14 10:52 PM

Call me stupid, but if these illegals were NOT eligible for child credits AND didn't submit valid SS# on tax forms claiming such tax credits, why did the US Treasury issue the checks?

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Captain

May-16-14 9:15 PM

Sounds like it's pretty friggin easy to get such money fraudulently. BTW, isn't referring to this $4.2B as "refunds" an oxymoron? A more applicable term would be a "gift" from the US Treasury Dept.

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joew

May-16-14 8:14 PM

"Localresident", approx %30 of the US prison population are illegals.(illegal invaders)

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joew

May-16-14 8:12 PM

The title of the report summed up the IG’s finding: “Individuals Who Are Not Authorized to Work in the United States Were Paid $4.2 Billion in Refundable Credits". The credits currently amount to $1,000 per child, and they are “refundable,” meaning that parents may receive refunds even when they do not owe any tax. The IG report stated that more than 2.3 million persons who did not have Social Security numbers valid for working in the U.S. got an average of roughly $1,800 each in 2010 in child tax credit refunds. That included 9,000 illegal immigrants who each got a total of $10,000 or more by retroactively claiming credits for tax years prior to 2010. So no I am not saying,the IRS and Treasury are!

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Captain

May-16-14 6:46 PM

No surprise there, eh localresident, after all, what do convicts have to lose, especially if they have lengthy prison sentences, or life? They may not be able to cash/spend the refund checks, but their families sure can.

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localresident

May-16-14 5:38 PM

I'm not sure about illegals, but plenty of prisoners file false tax returns. Some of them may be illegal immigrants, I suppose.

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Captain

May-16-14 4:31 PM

If our gov't is giving earned tax credits to EVERY illegal man, woman and child living here AND sending each one of them tax refunds, then the problem isn't the illegals at all.

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Captain

May-16-14 4:16 PM

Then are you saying that illegals are filing false tax returns? If so, how was this substantiated? Did IRS agents actually follow thru on each one of these cases or is it a "rough estimate?" Did the US Treasury IG's report explain what happened to these people? Were they prosecuted and put in jail (or deported), or were they just allowed to walk? How many actual illegals were involved? It'd have to be a helluva lot in order to collect $4.2B, meaning EVERY illegal man, woman and child living here (estimated at 15M) would've had to file a false tax return, receiving an avg of $267 each.

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joew

May-16-14 3:34 PM

How about we check this source which of course will be said to be bogus as well I guess-THE UNITED STATES TREASURY INSPECTOR GENERAL FOR TAX. There you will find summary data for IRS returns related to the 4.2 BILLION handed out to illegals!(illegal invaders)

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Captain

May-16-14 3:10 PM

DT: How many times did you slam judeye for not giving you an answer to a question you asked? As judeye already asked (yet you conspicuously avoided answering), I'll ask again: Can you briefly explain just exactly HOW illegal invaders receive earned child credits? I believe: "we're patiently waiting" is one of your signature snide remarks, isn't it?

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Captain

May-16-14 2:46 PM

The Congressional Record? BAH! You cite this source, and believe it must be true simply b/c it's in the CR? Sorry DT, but the CR is full of false allegations. Example: Sen. Joe McCarthy, and his insatiable thirst for publicity. Today, the term "McCarthyism" is used more generally in reference to reckless and unsubstantiated accusations. McCarthy's inability to substantiate his claims ultimately led to him being censored by the US Senate, yet it was all part of the CR.

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joew

May-16-14 2:13 PM

I see our illustrious twins kapitan and decroaker can not for some reason access the IRS IG report. Pretty sad considering that report is part of the Congressional Record.Have to love how these people hide behind the curtain of ignorance!

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joew

May-16-14 2:08 PM

I see our illustrious twins kapitan and decroaker can not for some reason access the IRS IG report. Pretty sad considering that report is part of the Congressional Record.Have to love how these people hide behind the curtain of ignorance!

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tjefson

May-16-14 12:46 PM

Anyone who would defend this dispicable agency must have a picture of Lois Lerner in their living room. How much more wrong can an agency do before it deserves your condemnation. They have targeted specific groups of people, handed out bonus money to agents who are delinquent on their own taxes, handed out more bonus money to employees who had been reprimanded in the previous year, spent taxpayer money at seminars where they learned to line dance. They are a poster child for corruption, yet somehow are defended. It would not surprise me if they let these go through for votes.

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Captain

May-16-14 11:22 AM

The question was: "...in order to get an earned tax credit, you must file a tax return. Are you now saying that illegal "invaders" are filing taxes returns?"

I wonder if these lawmakers asked the IG the same obvious question that judeye posed, or did they simply accept it w/o proof, too?

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Dcronlg

May-16-14 10:58 AM

Ah, the clueless church lady OBSERVER board gaggle is at it again -- the nosy busy-bodies are whipping up the good ol' boy white-guy resentment...

Somehow, somewhere all those non-white folk are scamming-soaking-cheating the REAL hard-working-taxpaying Americans...and the big bad librul government is letting them get away with it!!!

REALLY???? (sigh...)

And the younger Deliverance twin...the irs.gov site has zero-nada-zilch on the IG whatever on the EITC. Stick to your banjo playing.

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joew

May-16-14 7:24 AM

"Where in the world do I get my information from Judeye? The IRS website showing that the IRS IG brought that to the attention of lawmakers. Sorry wasn't FOX news as you hoped.

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judeye

May-16-14 7:09 AM

joew...I really would like to know where in the world you get your information. 4.2 billion going to illegal INVADERS? Are these like space invaders?

By the way, in order to get an earned tax credit, you must file a tax return. Are you now saying that the illegal "invaders" are filing taxes returns? Thus paying money into our system in the way of federal income taxes?

Gosh, that sure is a new one on me...

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judeye

May-16-14 7:06 AM

Note though this article could not resist throwing more out there on the IRS 'scandal". I am not sure what position this paper would take on scrutiny of groups who try to use the 501(c)4 tax exempt status yet are not entitled to that status due to their political works. To have this status most of the work of the group must be in social welfare or education NOT politics.

So when all these groups sprung up with "tea party" "patriot" in their name the IRS erroneously "targeted" them to determine what their group was actually doing.

Is this not exactly what we want the IRS to do? Ensure that groups are not "cheating"? Or does this paper only care if a family "cheats" to get more money for the care of their children..and not care if a group does so to promote politics?

Seriously, does anyone truly think that Am for Prosperity (Koch brothers) or Crossroads (Karl Rove) are not engaged in primarily political actions?

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