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Pay raises: Reality check for committees

August 20, 2014

No matter what employment you have, you will almost always believe you are not paid what you are worth. Politicians — and elected officials — are in the same boat....

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Captain

Aug-24-14 7:57 AM

An office worker goes to work every day, and while he's at work, his wife invites a few different UNION men over (for some "fun") each day while he's working. The husband finally finds out; who should he blame?

Yes, you often blame both sides, but if you were being honest w/yourself, you'd put the blame where it truly belongs. If it makes you feel any better, you could still bad-mouth unions for wanting more, but the blame for "giving it up" is clearly not theirs.

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Captain

Aug-24-14 7:39 AM

I agree! Now please, REALLY think about what you just said. Since you believe that unions are to blame, what IF city workers WEREN'T union? If NON-UNION workers, their spouses, their families, their friends, etc are ALL registered voters, who do you think they're gonna vote for? Someone who supports their interests, right? Are people on welfare unionized? Of course not, but they sure as*****will vote for a candidate who promises to push for better benefits. It's not unions, it's the voters with selfish interests AND the pols who approve pay raises for selfish reasons.

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PhilJulian

Aug-23-14 8:51 PM

Captain- as I have said many times unions control the city Of Dunkirk. It has nothing to do with too much air in the tires. It has to do with too much power and influence in the public sector and it has to do with leaders who care more about re-election than the future of the city.

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Captain

Aug-23-14 6:59 PM

...some people are just too predictable, which causes me to chuckle at times. It helps make this site a little more entertaining.

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Captain

Aug-22-14 4:53 PM

Phil: If you have to buy a new tire b/c it burst when you put too much air in it, do you blame the cost on a faulty tire, the pump, or yourself?

Don't get me wrong, I don't completely excuse city workers for rising costs b/c their demands helped drive these costs up, but let's face it, they know the minds of selfish pols, and they know if the pols want their support at election time, they'll approve pay raises. It's easy to jump on the anti-union bandwagon (which you probably started many yrs ago), but try blaming the pols who promised to keep costs down just so you & I would vote for them. Too many voters have too much self-interest in higher pay for city workers.

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PhilJulian

Aug-22-14 12:24 PM

CAPTAIN - let me repeat - UNIONS ARE A MAJOR FACTOR!!! it is the size and cost of local government (of which unions are a major factor) that is causing the demise of our area.

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Captain

Aug-22-14 7:33 AM

Maybe not exactly that way, Phil, but I'm quite certain a more accurate quote you've repeatedly ranted is: "unions are the root of everything wrong in this area."

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PhilJulian

Aug-21-14 7:36 PM

Christopher - I never said unions are the fault of everything wrong in this area - but public sector unions are a major factor. I believe the size and cost of bloated government is the greatest factor in the decline of our area.

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Captain

Aug-21-14 2:38 PM

I think MOST people will agree that if things continue the way they are, and costs for city services keep rising while private sector jobs, population & tax revenues continue to disappear, then the city's future is obviously pretty bleak. Getting the mayor, council and ALL public workers to understand and accept this IS the problem, and I'm afraid NOTHING will change until there are no other choices left, and by then, it'll be too late, provided it's not too late already.

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tjefson

Aug-21-14 12:58 PM

Aha, this is the 100K question or in the case of "Bolender", the 120K question. This is also know as biting the hand that feeds you. So far NY State, Chautauqua County, City of____, and Village of or Town of____ show an indifference toward businesses and people leaving. I do not understand their logic just like I do not understand the logic of ISIS. My example is a harsh example of what is happening. What do we call these businesses and people leaving. Like you said, for these entities it is as if no longer exist. One would think the alarm bells would be ringing, but instead the silence is deafening.

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Captain

Aug-21-14 11:53 AM

tj: "...off w/their heads"? If they (unions) killed off the source (non-union taxpayers) that feeds them, how does this benefit the unions?

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tjefson

Aug-21-14 8:54 AM

Christopher, if the public unions were Muslims they would be ISIS. The non union tax payers, off with their heads. Rah, these pensions are sacred.

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Christopher

Aug-20-14 9:15 PM

If TommyJ was a Muslim, he'd be a suicide bomber.

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Christopher

Aug-20-14 9:14 PM

I rest my case.

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tjefson

Aug-20-14 7:13 PM

Christopher, you begrudge the entrepreneurs their profits. They become millionaires from dedicating their lives to their business and you and the union thugs want to take everything they have. Most are worth a lot on paper because they reinvest the profits to grow the business and create jobs. However, at some point, they cash out, like Mr. Stanley Star. Once the local, state federal government make it next to impossible to run the business, they simply close the door. Or, the union takes you to court and the CEO wins the case but tells the judge, "I don't think the jobs I provide are appreciated here", so he relocates to South Carolina. Christopher, you and your ilk are takers and society has had a steady diet of being fleeced by all the organizations you represent. You didn't build that. Give me an f...ing break.

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Christopher

Aug-20-14 5:35 PM

Tjefson making a comment "You look at one side of street and refuse to acknowledge the carnage this process has created on the other side." is about as perfect a case of the Pot calling the Kettle black as I've ever seen. You're a one trick pony, have never said anything different on any post. According to you and Phil, Unions are the fault of everything wrong in this area, the state and the country. You deny and exclude ANY culpability of CEO's or Business leaders, and especially ANY REPUBLICAN. Give me a break.

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Captain

Aug-20-14 3:57 PM

"Cronut...has an IQ to match his shoe size."? HAH!!! Though I seldom agree w/him, Dcron does have excellent writing skills, therefore, I'd wager his IQ is much higher than yours.

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tjefson

Aug-20-14 3:57 PM

Commentor, I pay taxes. More than my share for the services I get. I even get to pay a premium for my daughter to eat lunch at the school. More than half qualify for the reduced lunch program (quarter a day). In the meantime they charge my daughter over $2 a day for lunch. For heavens sake, she pays 50 cents for a carton of milk if she carries her lunch. I don't get no food stamps either. I just pay and pay and pay. Never mind all the credit card debt we have. We are doing great. What I am saying when it comes down to one or the other, my family wins over these sponges.

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commentor

Aug-20-14 2:14 PM

Right on Phil. Cronut is always full of BS. He has an IQ to match his shoe size. tjefson....are you saying you don't pay taxes? If not tell us your secret.

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tjefson

Aug-20-14 2:01 PM

Christopher, it is really sad when a mentality that oppresses average working Americans fails to see the reality of the situation that big government has created. You got your pension and think the public unions are free from moral hazard. You look at one side of street and refuse to acknowledge the carnage this process has created on the other side.

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Christopher

Aug-20-14 1:07 PM

Nothing like those friggin' TRUCK DRIVERS! Talk about Cadillac benefits!!! And we're ALL paying for them by a hidden "value added tax" perpetrated by those same Truckers on unsuspecting consumers!

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tjefson

Aug-20-14 12:23 PM

Mr. Julian, compared to city employees and teachers, these people are underpaid. Lets not forget the cadillac health plans they all have and the gold plated pensions. Yet, according to DCronig we don't get it. They must think we are all a bunch of fools because that is how we are being treated. I will feed my family before these sponges with a head, legs and arms get my property tax dollars. These people have no compassion. They will grind everyone else into the ground before they sacrafice anything.

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tjefson

Aug-20-14 11:48 AM

Dcronig, like Steiner has said many times, "you are a complete idiot". We end up paying double and triple for everything because of NY state labor laws and public unions. Prevailing wages jack the price of a project up easily 100%. You and your ilk have completely destroyed the free market as the money channels its way to the select group. News, you are not fooling anyone.

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PhilJulian

Aug-20-14 11:46 AM

Apparently Dcronig is not familiar with the benefits of competitive bidding. Let's just look at some of the reported county salaries in 2013. Psychiatrist $162,894, Therapy director $96,164, Dir. public fcilities $95,353, Assistant DA $94,949, another Assistant DA $94,509, Sheriff's sergeant $93,567, another sergeant $91,53, Dir. Human Resources $89,441, Sheriff's puilot $88,866, general employee $87,709, County Ex. $85,000, Sheriff $83,820, general employee $82,884. The county has a budget of about $230 million and well over $2 million goes to the 25 highest paid employees. Yup - let's give them all a raise but we should always be asking "what will they do when they run out of our money?"

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tjefson

Aug-20-14 11:41 AM

All us taxpayers should raise our arms like the people in Missouri and walk toward the schools, police station and fire house. Hey, the rest of us want to have a life too!

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