The problem is that the average person only oppose lobbyists and special interests for things they don't support.
For example pro-gun rights groups don't oppose NRA lobbying Congress but those who are anti-gun certain whine about it. The same thing applies for Planned Parenthood, NAARP, and thousands of other companies and groups.
In fact probably ever single person is the country belongs to a group for which one or more special interests lobby Congress.
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the elephant in the room is not which party will have the upper hand, it's which influence peddler will be, government is so tainted with paid outside influence it will never be on the up and up till lobbyist and special interest groups are eliminated, and that will be never a.k.a. the golden rule
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but for a party to maintain it's spot on the ballet they need to maintain a certain level of votes during election. If this is indeed the case, which I believe it is, then it makes sense for them to occasionally nominate someone who is running under the DNC or GOP ticket.
With that being said, I would very interested in seeing a breakdown of how often each of these parties have their own candidate for various office, because if they always just put the DNC/GOP candidate on their party line they should be stuck from the ballot as they would be meaningless.
You need to remember, our election laws were created by members of the DNC & GOP and of course it's written as to diminish the chances a third party gaining prominence.
The only thing the DNC/GOP dislike and fear more then each other is a strong and truly marketable third party of the same political persuasion as them as it could leech there support.
As for dependent voters you are correct, why would someone who has spent most of their life on welfare ever vote for a someone that wants to cut or reform welfare? Also how many public employees would vote for a candidate that feels their pay and benefits are to high?
Add those two groups together and you have a solid voting block who can simply vote to continue their gravy train.
I'm not really a fan of allowing recall votes, it's night likes terms of office is 10-12 years or some such.
Basically they are simply chances for the opposition to get another chance at the pie, and are basically single issue votes.
So using the Colorado vote as an example, while I support gun rights (and love my "assault rifles,") the vote wasn't "who will best represent the district" but a vote on gun control.
So you think that the same people who repeatedly re-elect the same people over and over would vote for term limits?
History has shown that the public support term limits for OTHER PEOPLE'S representatives but not their own.
Personally think pushing for term limits is basically saying the voter can't be trusted so we need to remove that choice for them.
Additionally, most who talk about term limits the most do so because they want to eliminate those they oppose. For example, our area being largely controlled by democrats for decades it's republicans that call for term limits. In other areas of the country, but I also hear the same call from democrats in areas that have long been controlled by republicans.
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Before anything else we need a amendment to allow for recall votes. Then and only then can we hold feet to the fire. What happened recently in Colorado is proof of that!Andy proposed that in the assembly and it never saw the light of day! Anyone care to take a SWAG who shot it down?
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If the Independent parties were true parties they would not support either a Republican or Democratic party. They would have a candidate of their own. So in my opinion they are a joke!!!!!
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All of the "Independent" candidates on todays ballot (at least my area of the county) were the same ones on the democrat ticket. If that doesn't say something nothing will to some. Are there any true Independent candidates any longer. And in a couple of spots damocrats were the only contender to chose from. All same all same.
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bear: you and I support term limits, and I'd bet that if such a proposal were ever added to any ballot in any district anywhere in this country, it would pass. But like I said, you'll never get a group of lawmakers to pass it. Some may publicly support term limits, but that's only b/c they know their colleagues won't. Some may even make it a campaign promise just so you'll vote for them, but once in office, they quickly stop pursuing it b/c (again) most lawmakers refuse to support it.
Like you said, any pol who supports expanded entitlement programs is golden. Wanna become a pol? No problem, all you need to do is move to a district with lots of govt dependent voters, then announce you sympathize w/the needy and support improved entitlement programs. It's really that easy.
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I'm sorry, but when exactly was it made a crime for someone registered as independent, or as "no party affiliation," to vote for a candidate from one to the main political parties?
Captain, couldn't agree more with your comments on term limits. I firmly support a constitutional amendment limiting terms for both houses of Congress. Also, eliminating the Lifetime term for the Supreme Court. All the better if it extends down to the state and local levels as well.
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sadly the concept "of the people by the people, for the people will never perish", has, it's now the "golden rule" and we all know what that means
well said, bear. May I just add that the promises you note from "career pols" (even first-term pols) are due to the generous compensation they receive while holding public office. They are motivated by such rewards, and consequently put their own self interests above fiscally responsible policies AND the concerns of the avg American worker.
Term limits is the obvious answer, but lawmakers will NEVER support derailing their own gravy train. It took YEARS (and a voter referendum) to get the CCLeg to concede to the pressure to downsize the CCLeg. How many people running for office today voted against downsizing, yet claim to listen to their constituents? Barmore is the 1st name that comes to mind.
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COMMENTOR - I am registered as "no party affiliation" and I voted for Horrigan based on his views on the county home. It's really as simple as that. The size and cost of government must be reduced and Horrigan is the man most likely to do that.
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As I think further on it Phil I still think you are a hypocrite for voting Horrigan because he is supported by the Republican Party. To me that means they have the same views. To truly be independent the political parties would have to be eliminated all together and just have people who want to work for the people run for office. Eliminate campaign time and money from special interest groups. It doesn't take all the time and money of today's campaigning to decide on a candidate. All they do is lie anyway. Allow them one or two newspaper ads and one or two political debates. When I get mailers and door knobber all I do is toss them out without ever reading them. As for TV ads I go to the bathroom when they are on.
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Well Phil Horrigan is supported by the Republican Party and the Conservative Party. So I guess you consider the Conservative Party Independent if not you are a hypocrite. So I assume you are a registered Conservative.
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Nothing will ever change, either on the local, state or federal level, as long as we continue to breed a culture of dependency and there are candidates more than willing to "buy" those votes through promises of bigger government and more handouts. Nothing will change until the trend of younger generations embracing the entitlement society and believing they are owed something just for showing up is reversed. This is a cultural crisis where the qualities of responsibility and self reliance are no longer valued. Until these trends are altered, nothing will change and we'll continue down a path of becoming nothing more than a shadow of a once great nation.
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Registering as an Independent may cause candidates from the other major parties to NOT assume that voters will continue to vote along party lines, however, at the end of the day, we still have questionable candidates, and in many cases, unopposed ones! Phil's advice is akin to not showing your cards before they're played.
It's a sad statement against our political process when voters feel compelled to "trick" a candidate into earning our support.
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Well hopefully the proven leadership of Mr Horrigan and his awareness of the problems you cite Phil can turn the tide. Time will tell.
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On a local level I don't see a philosophical difference between either party and that's why I encourage everyone to register as an independent voter. I will admit that in Mayville the parties tend to stick together on the issues but neither party is demonstrating an awatreness of the issues and neither party recognizes the severity of population losses resulting from too much government.
If Horrigan and Cornell are elected we will have a bigger disaster than we have now. Horrigan is just an Edwards clone and Cornell will destroy the clerk's office. As for the Legislators it's a crap shoot. They won't do anything earth shaking either.
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edwards a born loser. however, the dummycrats will remain dummies.
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Not a thing,Heimlich maneuver works very well but thanks for your concern.
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Sadly in our area there seems to be little difference between the parties so I don't really think it will make a difference either way.
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Joe--What on earth is wrong with you?
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