I'd rather see IGT going to the home than $2M going to support Cummins' private airport..
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Phil: much of what you say is true, but you too refuse to admit that some public services cost taxpayers money, an unavoidable necessity if you will. Our differences lie in what we value as worthy services/costs. Further, I disagree w/you regarding ALL public services should be privatized, or that doing so ensures lower costs b/c that's simply not true. Supply & demand is widely accepted economic principal, and though it often works, it's also been proven to be flawed.
Please don't confuse me with someone who ignores the wasteful spending of taxpayer money. I expect public employees in charge of our money to be diligent in cost efficiencies, but unlike you, I'm willing to pay for services that I deem worthy.
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(con't) refuse3 to wake up. As always I respect your opinion but in this case all the evidence says you are wrong.
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CAPTAIN AND CHUCK - I understand what you are saying but there is one thing you fellows constantly ignore. Areas of the country that have centralized local governments have taxes that are dramatically lower than ours and, coincidently, those are the areas of the country that are growing and prospering. . I have given Chuck many examples in the past but he refuses to believe the truth. Haven't you ever wondered why we are contiunuing to lose population? Have you ever wondered why we have lost so many of our good employers? Have you ever wondered why we graduate hundreds from our local schools every year and most of them leave forever? We can't put all the blame on the state. Some of the highest taxed counties in the country are in Western New York where the size of government is disproportionate to the size of our population. These are the symptoms of a declining econony and a hostile business environment. They serve as a "wake up call" but we still have many that refuse to w
eastwood: be patient, you (and all the others) will get your wish soon enough.
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privatize, save money.....old ladies not being pushed over the cliff
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Chuck: I couldn't agree more! Phil seems to be a pretty smart guy, yet he's a prime example of what you're talking about. Based upon the meaning of competition, Phil believes that if several competitors exist, this SHOULD (in theory) drive each other's prices down. Just look at our crazy cable & phone charges (and the multi-billions in profits they each make) and it easily debunks such a theory. Are cable competitors actually competing against each other, or are they merely working together to maintain an industry standard rate?
There may be initial savings when privatizing a public service, but soon thereafter, the private sector ends up controlling the needed services (demand), and thus becomes strictly profit-driven, and customer costs steadily increase to maintain those profits.
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Let's see The Republicans tried to sell the Landfill, then the Republicans tired to sell the County Home, then the Republicans tried to sell the North County Airport-Do you see a pattern ye? No asset too good to sell to keep taxes artificially low while they are in office. Once the money is gone dedicated to lowering taxes-just for awhile. Then we will vote them out because they will have to raise taxes or sell another asset. They specialize in selling our assets. The County Home doesn't cost us money it is what we pay as residents of our county to care for our seniors. Unless your a Republican then it costs us money. Sad view, take this view to it's logical conclusion: Sheriff's department run by a Democrat will have it's budget cut by this Legislature. The Republicans in our County Legislature do not care for the rest of us just themselves and their little political beliefs.
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Captain - As a generalization this statement can be true, but is especially evident the larger the government entity. Studies conducted on governments that have consolidated have discovered this to be the case and the result after a few years of consolidation was overall increased costs - just the opposite of the anticipated and desired effect. But for those people with blinders on, they'll ignore these facts and keep repeating the rumors and untruths that they've been suckered into believing. They'll also ignore all of the consolidation that has already taken place in this county because it's not what they want to hear. I can't help that they are ignorant, but they can certainly do something about it.
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Thanks, Chuck. I'd just like to add that wiseup is generally correct in his assertion when he said: "when you spend other peoples money there's no incentive to be profitable."
This may be true, but it doesn't mean that whatever gov't services we're talking about, those in charge of managing said service shouldn't try to be as cost effective as possible. It's their duty to the taxpayers to do so, which is something Edwards & Hellwig failed at big time!
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Here's an example locally - Brocton, Westfield, Mayville and Jamestown all operate municipal electric departments, and have done so for a very long time. All of their customers pay about 1/2 what someone on National Grid pays for the same amount of power.
Example #2 - garbage. I contacted a large private residential hauler for a price comparison. They were twice as expensive as my local government.
People - do some research! Don't just keep regurgitating the rumors and untruths.
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sell it, obamas death squads will take care of the old fartz
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Sell the Home. Does the Post Office operate a a profit? No but Fedx and UPS does why because it's goal is to make a profit. When you spend other peoples money there is no incentive to be profitable-like the Home. Our Seniors are important but why not take care of our own elderly by ourselves. Why even put them in a Home/ Did your parents put you in a home because it was too hard to care for you???
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There are so many examples of government services that were privatized and the result was huge increases in cost. Ask someone who had their water system privatized just how expensive it got. I know communities right here that privatized garbage collection, only to go take it back after the contract ran out - because it was cheaper for the local government to run it. One size doesn't fit all! Just because the cities in this county are inefficient doesn't mean that the villages and towns are too. I keep saying it - if it's so bad here - MOVE AWAY.
I hope they sell it, so we can get on to other things, like the Dunkirk airport.....needs to be sold too. 1 Govt funded airport in this county is enough, reall i don't care which one they keep....one is enough
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judeye will never believe the truth about any government waste unless it is the men and women who protect our nation. Then she thinks spending for the military is.
Old people are not useless normy, but you and all liberals are pretty much. Esp. Cuomo and obama.
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wiseup..Yea sell the Home!!..Old people are useless anyways!!..All they do is waste my money!!..I hate old people!! Take the last of their money and possessions,give it to a private owner..Private owners know to to operate nursing homes..They know how make a profit,maybe they will give me some of their money??..
I was being facetious people..
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Steiner completely lost it, in the post "Helping with hair" about his wonderful insult on a young girl with cancer.
OMG Judeye how can you possibly be that naive to say because IGT funding is poured into the home it generates a surplus? The home as a stand alone enterprise LOSES about 1.3 million dollars a year Judeye!!!!
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wiseup..you mean like when they contracted out welfare to work to an out of state..for profit agency and participation rate went from 80% down to what is it now...10%?
Yep private for profit really can do a job cant they?
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joew...exactly how many bothered to read it. Particularly the point where it clearly states the CC is NOT losing money as reported to us by the media and elected officials. Rather it operates at a small SURPLUS.
But then again who cares?
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The CGR report supports that what you say Phil but how many have actually read it?
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(con't) Either we change our ways or learn to accept stagnation and deterioration as a way of life.
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Maybe we have to look at this issue from a broader perspective. Our county has been identified as one of the highest taxed in the entire country. That factor alone contributes to our loss of population and loss of industry. With that in mind it becomes imperative that the size and cost of government be reduced. Sale of the county home should be just the starting point. For example, why not privatize trash collection with a single county wide contract? With the possible exception of police and fire everything should be on the table and explored for more cost effective means. Why should all this be considered? Because the cost of public sector employment with lucerative benefits now exceeds the ability of the private sector to financially support it. Wherever a service can be performed cheaper and better by the private sector that avenue should be explored in order to take advantage of competition. Government has no competition to hold costs under control. Either we change our ways or l
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